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Perpendicular door configuration

Discussion in 'Accessibility' started by rruppe20, Apr 12, 2019.

  1. rruppe20

    rruppe20 Sawhorse

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    Capture.JPG I have a customer wanting to add a door in a wall perpendicular to an existing door. The existing door swing will swing in the Maneuvering Clearance for the new door that swings into the adjacent room.
    I cannot find any regulation to prevent this design.
     
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  2. JPohling

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    doors in series will need 4' between them if the swing is in the same direction, perpendicular arrangement is not illustrated
     
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    Would you require 4' between he doors in the attached image? Capture.JPG
     
  5. Paul Sweet

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    I don't think there's anything in the code to prevent this stupidity. Able and disabled people are equally inconvenienced. Nobody will get trapped (the reason for 4 ft. between doors in series) as long as there is a turning space beyond the door swings.
     
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    If it is a required egress door in the moe I personally would consider it an obstruction and not allow. If not, then it is not a good idea but not sure I could cite anything. Still no code for dumb yet. LOL
     
  8. JPohling

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    sure there is.............. the doors do not have clearance for accessibility around them due to the encroachment of the other door swing.
     
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    I am not aware of a code requirement that a door cannot swing into the maneuvering clearance for another door.

    GPE
     
  10. steveray

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    I would call this maybe, but not accessibility...

    1005.7 Encroachment. Encroachments into the required
    means of egress width shall be in accordance with the provisions
    of this section.
    1005.7.1 Doors. Doors, when fully opened, shall not
    reduce the required width by more than 7 inches (178
    mm). Doors in any position shall not reduce the required
    width by more than one-half.
     
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  11. JPohling

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    it would be dependent upon if this is an accessible route where the doors are used in series.
    CBC 11B-404.2.6 Doors in series or gates in series: The distance between two hinged or pivoted doors in series and gates in series shall be 48 inches minimum plus the width of doors or gates swinging into the space.
     
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    As long as there is maneuvering past the door swing, it is not an issue.....

    Typically, the doors-in-series condition occurs in entry
    vestibules that are used to reduce the infiltration of outside
    air. It is important to realize that this requirement applies
    only when the user must pass through two doors in succession.
    The requirement would not be applicable if, instead
    of a vestibule, the situation was a corridor and the two
    doors were into offices located on opposite sides of the
    corridor. A storm or screen door immediately in front of an
    entrance door or communicating doors between two hotel
    rooms are not considered doors in a series.
    Swinging doors in series when placed too closely
    together can create a condition where a person using a
    wheelchair may pass through one door, and still have to
    hold that door open while trying to open the second door.
    To resolve this condition, a minimum distance of 48 inches
    (1220 mm) is required between the doors if the doors
    swing away from each other or 48 inches (1220 mm) plus
    the width of any door swinging into the space is required
    [see Figure 404.2.5 and Commentary Figure C404.2.5(a)].
    Doors in a series are not always in a straight line. Doors
    may be offset, or located on adjacent walls rather than
    opposite walls. The intent is that a clear floor space for a
    wheelchair [i.e., 30 inches by 48 inches (765 by 1220
    mm)] is available past the swing of the first door so the
    person entering can let one door close before they start to
    open the second door [see Commentary Figure C404.2.5
    (b)].
     
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