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An average day

Discussion in 'Contractor Talk' started by ICE, Oct 13, 2011.

  1. ICE

    ICE Sawhorse

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    The last time that I saw this panel it faced the hallway that is on the other side of the wall.

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    When this panel is replaced it will face the hallway.

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    We recently had someone undertake a similar repair due to a footing being undermined from flooding last spring. In researching the product, the piles take the full load of the foundation. So, in this case, the manager made the right call in my opinion.
     
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    2012 IBC
    1804.2 Placement of backfill.
    The excavation outside the foundation shall be backfilled with soil that is free of organic material, construction debris, cobbles and boulders or with a controlled low-strength material (CLSM). The backfill shall be placed in lifts and compacted in a manner that does not damage the foundation or the waterproofing or dampproofing material.
    Exception: CLSM need not be compacted.
     
  4. Ty J.

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    Compacted is different than requiring compaction testing.

    Compacted is an arbitrary standard understood by most to mean firm and unyielding.
    Compaction testing requires development of a 100% value by means of a proctor (commonly D1557 or D698). Testing would be extreme overkill for a foot of foundation wall backfill. Especially when next week the home owner could plant shrubbery throughout.
     
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  5. ICE

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    It’s closer to three feet. The point of it all is to arrest a subsiding foundation. The piles have been forced into earth until the friction reaches a point that is deemed sufficient to support the structure. What are the conditions that effect the sufficiency of that friction? Are those conditions fluid? Has this pile system never failed?
    So I asked for support under the foundation in the form of slurry and compacted soil for the balance. The two guys with shovels said that they usually just toss the dirt. I wanted to be sure that the soil was compacted so I asked for a compaction report.

    I guess I question an incomplete engineered process.
     
  6. e hilton

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    View attachment 3991

    When this panel is replaced it will face the hallway.

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    Are you saying you are going to make them put it back into ths hall? Good for you. What about cleaning out the spray paint?
     
  7. ICE

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    Are you saying you are going to make them put it back into ths hall? Good for you. What about cleaning out the spray paint?[/QUOTE]


    The panel will be replaced......as in a new panel facing into the hallway.
     
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  8. MtnArch

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    ICE - Thanks for the explanation - that makes more sense now, however my question would now be that if you do have piles wouldn't the continuous footings have been designed as grade beams that should (theoretically) span from pier to pier without support? If you so, why would you need a compaction report to be generated?

    I really appreciate seeing and hearing your (and others) experience from the other side of the fence. It's so easy for we DP's to focus on our black and white drawings and totally ignore the reality of what really goes on in the field that you IP's ('Inspection Professionals') have to deal with.
     
  9. ICE

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    Alan,
    It is not likely that the footing was designed as a grade beam. The engineer that put this together placed a square steel tube under the footing. I assume that is because there is no way to know the strength of the footing.

    I believe that compaction is important. I am mostly alone in that belief. The plans and specifications do not mention compaction so I stand on firm ground approving the work without compaction or a report. The owner, contractor, engineer and insurance company are pleased with the outcome....who am I to rock the boat?
     
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  10. MtnArch

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    I guess I have never been involved in a project that had piers that didn't have grade beams designed as a part of the foundation. Thanks for the explanation!
     
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    ICE
    I might be over thinking the need for compact from a different need
    Considering the seismic zone you are in I would think compaction should be required for this repair to prevent a lateral shift of the house in a seismic event the week after the job is complete
     
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    That should have been taken into account by the engineer of record. Not a bad thing to ask and make sure of though.
     
  13. fatboy

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    Are you enforcing the Pool and Spa Code...are there requirements for support there? Otherwise....you are out of bounds.........non-pot, re-circ water, unless you have local amendments, you have no jurisdiction. My neck of the woods........
     
  14. ICE

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    Well no fatboy we don't enforce the Pool and Spa Code. So I don't know if there is a code for pipe support there.

    Take a look at the pipe. Do you see how easy it would be for a rambunctious kid or bichon frise to snap the pipe?

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    You are correct....I am out of bounds. But hey now, somebody had to pay for a permit....am I to be faulted for giving them a little extra?
     
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    Those cracks look excessive. Maybe not a code issue, but certainly not done with quality in mind.
    You said the permit was to add a kitchen, bedfoom and bath ... is it becoming multi-family? Is the old kitchen remainjng?
     
  16. ICE

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    The new kitchen is the only kitchen.
     
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    Oh good. Now the kids can stand on the pipes to look over the fence.
     
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  19. MtnArch

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    Did you require compaction reports? (sorry ICE .. couldn't resist!!) ;-)
     
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